[OutVoice] The governator speaks against Prop 8

Tue Nov 11 09:19:53 CST 2008

Yes, you are right.  What I was proposing was in fact more of the "same 
old."  And truthfully, you reacted exactly how I wanted you to.  You 
thought about it.  You refused to just give up.  And most importantly, 
you got the eff up and "lifted" this tired spirit.  Now, if only WE 
could do this to an entire nation... 

In a society where we're concerned about youth and beauty (or youth and 
booty, whichever you prefer), we often forget about what's REALLY 
important -- until it's too late.  Prop 8 is a perfect example...  In my 
opinion, Prop 8 would've NEVER PASSED if our entire gay (and gay 
friendly) nation stood against it -- if it took money, (for example) we 
could've spent LESS on our Madonna/Cher/Tina/Bette concert tickets.  We 
could've ALL scraped together $5 dollars here, $20 there; whatever we 
could FOR AS LONG AS WE KNEW about Prop 8.  It worked for the Obama 
campaign, as you all know!  We ALL got out, rocked the vote and made 
history.  We got out there and did what we had to do. 

I'm not saying that NOBODY helped to banish Prop 8.  I'm simply saying 
that we (as a nation) could've done MORE to help our brothers and 
sisters out there in California.  Truth be told, we are NOT the 
minority.  Those right-wing bigots are actually the minority, but like 
the 5% of the country's rich population, they somehow made us believe 
that THEY have the power.  Going back to the Obama campaign, we've 
proven that when WE are ready for change, WE come together, WE take our 
power back and WE make it happen.  (Yes we can!)

Our GLBT society has come a long way, YES WE HAVE...  But we cannot 
become complacent.  We can't be satisfied with LOGO when we deserve 
MTV.  We can't be satisfied with Civil Unions when we deserve MARRIAGE.  
And we damn sure can't rest on our laurels, when so many others (even in 
our lifetime) have fought, bled and died to get us where we are TODAY... 

Freedom and equality are so close, I can taste it.  I don't want to wait 
for a future generation...  To paraphrase the J. G. Wentworth 
commercial, "It's MY FREEDOM, and I WANT IT NOW!"

Here's 2 our change... 
AC

Taylor, Christopher wrote:
>  I can certainly see where you're coming from Aaron but in a way isn't
> what you're proposing just more of the "same old"? True, WE know the
> "sanctity" is an illusion but people need to be "DIS-illusioned" and (I
> believe) that the best way to do that is to keep putting it out there
> and putting it in their faces...
>
> I hear you about being tired, I'm not the angry young man I used to be
> (it takes a lot of energy) BUT...giving up and "hiding in plain sight"
> just isn't good enough, for me. I would rather jump thru all the legal
> and quasi-legal hoops that we have to right now (power of attorney,
> multiple iterations of living wills, etc) to ensure a "safe" future for
> my partner and my/our property if I were to pass before he did. Than
> ensnare myself and some lesbian in a sham of a "marriage" that STILL
> wouldn't protect our "real" other half's were one or the other of us to
> pass away.
>
> Just a different view of the issue, my friend-not trying to get under
> anyone's skin...
>
> Chris Taylor
> (the) fundamentalists
> (Gay pride DETROIT style! For sure! ;~))
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: outvoice-bounces at outvoice.net
> [mailto:outvoice-bounces at outvoice.net] On Behalf Of Aaron-Carl
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:26 PM
> To: outvoice at outvoice.net
> Subject: Re: [OutVoice] The governator speaks against Prop 8
>
> Maybe it's just me, but...
>
> Wasn't HE the one who spoke up FOR Prop 8 in the first place?  Or am I
> mistaken?  People crack me up sometimes; they're in the position of
> power to actually DO something, yet they refuse to exercise their
> rights, in fear of backlash.  Personally, I feel that Schwarzenegger's
> ultra-conservative ass needs to be voted OUT of office.  Hell...  Either
> you're FOR us, or you are AGAINST us.  He's made his stance clear on
> more than one occasion.  I refuse to fall for this "middle of the road" 
> empathy statement.  "It is unfortunate..."  Yeah, it is unfortunate that
> after all these years in office, HE has never actually stood UP for us.
>
> Really...  Must we fight our ENTIRE LIVES, just to exist?  I'm tired of
> fighting.  I'd like to be able to actually ENJOY this one life that I DO
> have.  I won't preach to the choir about our equality -- WE KNOW that
> gay people deserve equality.  My thought is this:  If we can't join
> them, BEAT them at their own game.  Sure, they allow us to marry -- just
> not each other.  Okay.  Since they wanna play THAT game, I say we follow
> suit.  Let's form valid marriages with members of the OPPOSITE sex --
> for the property and other financial purposes... Then have our same-sex
> partner "behind closed doors."  Why not?  This is exactly what THEY ARE
> DOING!  That's how the whole "down low" epidemic got started in the
> first place...  Only now, at least we're being up front about it. 
>
> You want marriage between only a man and a woman?  Okay, bitches...  
> Have it your way.  Have your illusion.  WE KNOW THE TRUTH.  Your
> so-called "sanctity of marriage" is a joke.  Your divorce rates prove
> this.  Your infidelity rates prove this as well...  Your overwhelming
> number of unplanned pregnancies, abandoned & abused children also prove
> this point. 
>
> It's not even an issue of morality anymore... It's an issue of common
> sense.  I guess some bigots will never learn, but I REFUSE to waste
> whatever time I have on this earth, trying to make THEM see the light. 
> Let them THINK they've won the battle.  I laugh at the bitches...
>
> Aaron-Carl
> (Gay pride, Detroit style...  lol)
>
> gosmith at nyc.rr.com wrote:
>   
>> A leading Republican stands up and speaks against Proposition 8 in
>>     
> California:
>   
>> "It is unfortunate," Schwarzenegger said. "But it is not the end
>>     
> because I think this will go back into the courts. ... It's the same as
> in the 1948 case when blacks and whites were not allowed to marry. This
> falls into the same category." 
>   
>> http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/10/gay.marriage.protests.ap/index.html
>>
>> He is not alone: 
>>
>> The pastor of the 4,000-member All Saints Church in Pasadena spoke out
>>     
> against Proposition 8, calling the religious community's support of it
> "embarrassing."
>   
>> The church announced that while it could no longer legally marry
>>     
> same-sex couples, it would continue blessing gay civil unions. "It's
> very unfortunate and embarrassing that the (Christian religion) is in
> large part responsible for this act of bigotry," the Rev. Ed Bacon said
> after his sermon.  
>   
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